Continuing from where we left off https://answeringislamblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/06/shabir-ally-proves-muhammad-was-a-terrorist-pt-1/, Shabir Ally either is not aware of (which is quite unlikely) or is trying to deceitfully hide the fact that the Quran itself confirms that these OT wars were approved by God himself, especially that of the slaughter of the Canaanite as well as Saul’s war against the Amalekites:
O my people! Remember Allah’s favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk. S. 5:20-26 Pickthall
Here we have Muhammad relating the story of God commanding the Israelites to enter into the promised land and slaughter its inhabitants, without a negative word about the supposed injustice of God in ordering them to do so. And:
Hast thou not Turned thy vision to the Chiefs of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Moses? They said to a prophet (That was) among them: “Appoint for us a king, that we May fight in the cause of God.” He said: “Is it not possible, if ye were commanded to fight, that that ye will not fight?” They said: “How could we refuse to fight in the cause of God, seeing that we were turned out of our homes and our families?” but when they were commanded to fight, they turned back, except a small band among them. But God Has full knowledge of those who do wrong. Their Prophet said to them: “God hath appointed Talut as king over you.” They said: “How can he exercise authority over us when we are better fitted than he to exercise authority, and he is not even gifted, with wealth in abundance?” He said: “God hath Chosen him above you, and hath gifted him abundantly with knowledge and bodily prowess: God Granteth His authority to whom He pleaseth. God careth for all, and He knoweth all things.” And (further) their Prophet said to them: “A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if ye indeed have faith.” When Talut set forth with the armies, he said: “God will test you at the stream: if any drinks of its water, He goes not with my army: Only those who taste not of it go with me: A mere sip out of the hand is excused.” but they all drank of it, except a few. When they crossed the river,- He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: “This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces.” but those who were convinced that they must meet God, said: “How oft, by God’s will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? God is with those who steadfastly persevere. When they advanced to meet Goliath and his forces, they prayed: “Our Lord! Pour out constancy on us and make our steps firm: Help us against those that reject faith.” By God’s will they routed them; and David slew Goliath; and God gave him power and wisdom and taught him whatever (else) He willed. And did not God Check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief: But God is full of bounty to all the worlds. S. 2:246-251 Y. Ali
The Quran recounts the story of the people of Israel asking the prophet Samuel for a king, Saul’s appointment as a king, Saul’s wars, and David killing Goliath (cf. 1 Samuel 8-17). What is interesting about all this is that even though the Quran presupposes the biblical account of God’s commission to wipe out the Amalekites it nowhere condemns this Divine decree. It does not say that Saul killing women and children was an evil thing or that the Israelites tampered with the story since this isn’t how it happened; nor does it deny that these things did happen. Its very mention in the Quran without any qualification presupposes that the author(s) and/or editor(s) of the Quran had absolutely no problem with these wars since s/he/they believed that God sanctioned them. So why does Ally go against the teachings of his own book (as false as it is) and attack the Holy Bible for something with which the Quran and his false prophet affirmed?
There is more. Note what this next report says regarding Muhammad’s view of the prophet Joshua’s battles against the enemies of God:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers, ‘Anyone who has married a woman and wants to consummate the marriage, and has not done so yet, should not accompany me; nor should a man who has built a house but has not completed its roof; nor a man who has sheep or she camels and is waiting for the birth of their young ones.’ So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the ‘Asr prayer, he said to the sun, ‘O sun! You are under Allah’s Order and I am under Allah’s Order. O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.’ It was stopped till Allah made him victorious. Then he collected the booty and the fire came to burn it, but it did not burn it. He said (to his men), ‘Some of you have stolen something from the booty. So one man from every tribe should give me a pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.’ (They did so and) the hand of a man got stuck over the hand of their prophet. Then that prophet said (to the man), ‘The theft has been committed by your people. So all the persons of your tribe should give me the pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.’ The hands of two or three men got stuck over the hand of their prophet and he said, “You have committed the theft.’ Then they brought a head of gold like the head of a cow and put it there, and the fire came and consumed the booty. The Prophet added: Then Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 353 http://searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=53&translator=1&start=0&number=353)
Here Muhammad conflates several biblical stories, namely, Moses’ instruction in Deuteronomy 20:1-9, and Joshua’s expeditions against Ai and the king of Jerusalem (cf. Joshua 7 and 10). These are the very expeditions where God commanded Joshua and the Israelites to wipe out everything that breathes!
Hence, since the unanimous view of Sunni scholarship is that the hadith collection of al-Bukhari is sound, this means that this is not a narration that Ally can simply brush aside, especially since the Quran itself testifies that part of Muhammad’s mission was to confirm the textual veracity and divine authority of the very scriptures which the Jews and Christians had in their possession during Muhammad’s time. Therefore, Ally has no choice but come to terms with the fact that his own false prophet had absolutely no problems with God’s orders to the Israelites to annihilate everything that breathes, including women, children and livestock. So then why does Ally have a problem?
Ally’s woes are just starting, as we are about to see in the next part of our rebuttal https://answeringislamblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/shabir-ally-proves-muhammad-was-a-terrorist-pt-2/.
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the MAJOR difference between OT ‘violent’ verses with Quranic violent verses is those violent commands in OT were ordered under Real Theocracy where a Holy God literally made His Presence DISPLAYED through pillars of cloud in front of the WHOLE Nation. And also, OT ‘violent’ verses are SPECIFIC orders where Jehova as the theocratic DAILY ruler gave SPECIFIC orders about annihilating SPECIFIC people (eg. Amalekites and Amorites) in SPECIFIC area at SPECIFIC period.
Many of us agree that the harshest judgment were on the time of Moses and as time went by the ‘harsh’ implementation of Torah somehow ‘waned’ in the ancient Israel. This pattern doesn’t happen without reason , The Intensity Level of God’s Judgment is somehow EQUIVALENT to the Degree of Manifestation of God’s Holiness. In Moses’s time God ruled DAILY and made His present displayed and known DAILY . while after Moses’s time His Holy presence not only just few time being manifested but also mostly HIDDEN within the Holy of Holiest of the Tabernacle / Temple Mount ( no more Pillar of cloud and fire stretching from Heaven to earth). Moreover as time passed, the Holiness of God left the temple in the time of Ezekiel (Eze 10:18).
The time where we will see once again this ‘grandiose’ manifestation of God’s Holiness is at Christ’s Second Coming , this is the time when HARSH & SWIFT Justice will applied once more and even more severe than in the time of Moses.
The concept of Holiness of God is actually ‘foreign’ to muslims, just look how they see heaven as a place for indulging crazy sexual orgy. What muslims only know is how to appear ( pretend is the exact word) holy and righteous before men but muslims have no idea about the God’s Holiness.
The concept of a Living God , INTERACTING LIVELY and giving SPECIFIC direction to people , in fact is also foreign to muslims, muslims don’t know a LIVING God, they only know RULES & INSTRUCTIONS directed by a man claimed to be a prophet. Unlike the Israelite , Muslims have never being directed LIVELY by God and never had witnessed the LIVE manifestation of God’s Majestic Holiness being displayed in front of entire Muslims’ ummah . So there’s no legitimate reason for muslims to execute harsh justice like the ancient Israelite did.
Christians would have the legitimization to kill non-christians if all of us christians as a whole HEAR the LITERAL voice from heaven accompanied by majestic manifestation of God’s Glory ordering us SPECIFICALLY to kill non-christians, Not To Forget also of course this voice&manifestation should be valid with 100% accuracy as from God not satan. Unless such circumstance occur then we have no business for ‘playing’ Judge ourselves.
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